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Post by A's GM (Chase & Zach) on Feb 29, 2024 15:55:44 GMT -6
A's Trade Yu Darvish (SP-SDP) $9,300,000 (2026) Forrest Whitley (HOU) (20xx) Acquired in trade in 2022. suicide-squeeze.proboards.com/thread/3062/red-sox-approved-3Astros Trade RP Bryan Abreu (HOU) $300,000 (2027) OF Mitch Haniger (SEA) $7,700,000 (2024)((Re-sign)) A's Accept. We were looking to add another elite bullpen arm. And we are hopeful Mitch Haniger can return to 2021 form when healthy.
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Post by Astros GM - (Gates) on Mar 1, 2024 7:38:49 GMT -6
I accept needed some more pitching hope darvish has some more left in the. Tank.
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Post by Minnesota Twins GM – (DK) on Mar 1, 2024 7:49:22 GMT -6
@a’s/Astros, please do not make the trade on Fantrax until it’s been approved here first
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Post by Minnesota Twins GM – (DK) on Mar 1, 2024 7:51:20 GMT -6
Rights Confirmed. Approval # 1
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Post by Seattle GM - Jamie on Mar 1, 2024 17:59:04 GMT -6
Approval #2
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Post by Spyder89 (Reds GM) on Mar 1, 2024 20:26:40 GMT -6
I don't like to do this, but this is crazy lopsided IMO. A's are making out like a bandit here.
Disapproval #1 (2-1)
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Post by PadresGM on Mar 2, 2024 9:56:32 GMT -6
I agree with the Reds here. Abreu is the #3 ranked RP in our league, signed cheap for 4 more years. Darvish and Whitley are both injury risks. Whitley is no longer the top prospect he was and is already injured again in Spring Training.
Disapproval #2 (2-2)
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Post by Rangers GM/Commish (Joey) on Mar 2, 2024 10:39:59 GMT -6
I will be honest my time is short currently with 2 free agencies going on in other leagues. I will try to review this when I can. There are still myself, Rockies, Red Sox and Blue Jays who could vote.
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Post by A's GM (Chase & Zach) on Mar 2, 2024 10:56:42 GMT -6
I personably don’t believe this trade is as lopsided as some might think. Yu Darvish had 25 quality starts in 2022. He is 37 years of age now but there has been plenty of pitchers still highly effective after 37yrs old. He just signed a 6yr contract in 2023 if I’m not mistaken. In 2023, it was a weird season for the Padres as a whole. Whitley was a former first round pick. Yes he has had injuries, but so has a lot of pitchers and they are still successful. He is only 26 yrs old. Mitch Haniger has averaged less than 100 games a year and has been injured plagued his entire career. And Abreu role will be limited somewhat with the addition of Josh Hader being added. So now he will have his holds shared with Pressley. Since 2019, I believe only one trade has been vetoed/denied based off other reasons other than a team trying to trade someone they didn’t own. This is my two cents on this matter. I didn’t want to post this but felt like I needed too because I feel like some other stuff is being over looked and considered. -Zach
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Post by Minnesota Twins GM – (DK) on Mar 2, 2024 11:44:13 GMT -6
My view, for what it’s worth, I also strongly disagree that this is a veto worthy trade.
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Post by Spyder89 (Reds GM) on Mar 2, 2024 12:09:32 GMT -6
I personably don’t believe this trade is as lopsided as some might think. Yu Darvish had 25 quality starts in 2022. He is 37 years of age now but there has been plenty of pitchers still highly effective after 37yrs old. He just signed a 6yr contract in 2023 if I’m not mistaken. In 2023, it was a weird season for the Padres as a whole. Whitley was a former first round pick. Yes he has had injuries, but so has a lot of pitchers and they are still successful. He is only 26 yrs old. Mitch Haniger has averaged less than 100 games a year and has been injured plagued his entire career. And Abreu role will be limited somewhat with the addition of Josh Hader being added. So now he will have his holds shared with Pressley. Since 2019, I believe only one trade has been vetoed/denied based off other reasons other than a team trying to trade someone they didn’t own. This is my two cents on this matter. I didn’t want to post this but felt like I needed too because I feel like some other stuff is being over looked and considered. -Zach Zach, I hear you. I don't like vetoing trades, but this is protecting the league. Both franchises have had multiple owners rotating through over the past few years and if an owner makes bad decisions and then leaves again, it's going to be hard to fill that team. If I could hear more from the Astros, I'd consider flipping my vote, but simply "need more pitching, hope Darvish" sounds like he doesn't even believe your sentiment here. I'm also being cautious for the franchise because Astro's hasn't been on the board much and couldn't even post their own option declines....that's concerning to me and there very well may be a valid reasoning to that, but from the outside, it's a red flag. I'll put it like this: - Agreed Abreu's holds will be shared now, but his value lies in all the other categories as well. In addition to the fact that he's not going to lose out on opportunities, as no one can pitch everyday...truly believe this actually benefits him as it will keep him fresh. He wasn't the only player getting holds last year either.... - Understood on Darvish's 2022 vice 2023....but he also hadn't had more than 19 QS's in one season since 2013. You call 2023 an anomaly, one could argue the same for 2022. Not to mention, that price tag and length will limit the Astro's ability to add the players he would need to truly compete with his current cast. This league's free agency prices end up insane for the top available players. - Whitley isn't just always injured, he's also not been able to put together a promising stat line since 2018. Not to mention, your argument about Hader's addition diminishing roles doesn't help Whitley's prospects of adding much since they've already announced he's going to compete for a role in the bullpen and he'll be focusing on being a reliever going forward. He's going to be stuck in a middle to long-relief role. That doesn't add much value if you're going to focus on Abreu getting less holds diminishing his value. - Agreed Haniger is injury prone and his contract sucks for the seasons where he gets hurt, but it is also over this year. He has put up great numbers just a couple of seasons ago (sounds like your argument for Darvish). I'll reiterate that I'm willing to reconsider my vote if I get some explanation from the Stros...just doesn't make sense looking at the state of their team currently.
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Post by Minnesota Twins GM – (DK) on Mar 2, 2024 13:58:03 GMT -6
Seems the concern here is less so the trade but rather if the Astros are serious and attentive to the league. Astros should chime in so we can move this forward. I would say though, if Astros can’t be trusted to manage their own affairs we should revist if they should be a GM here.
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Post by A's GM (Chase & Zach) on Mar 2, 2024 14:27:19 GMT -6
Seems the concern here is less so the trade but rather if the Astros are serious and attentive to the league. Astros should chime in so we can move this forward. I would say though, if Astros can’t be trusted to manage their own affairs we should revist if they should be a GM here. I couldn’t have said it better myself in regards to the “concern” -Chase
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Post by Rangers GM/Commish (Joey) on Mar 2, 2024 18:18:24 GMT -6
I accept needed some more pitching hope darvish has some more left in the. Tank. Personally I would love to hear more than this too. Esp since your trading a cheap RP for a expensive older SP.
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Post by Astros GM - (Gates) on Mar 3, 2024 7:44:23 GMT -6
I guess the reasoning is I have a lot of outfielders could use another starting pitcher who is darvish which I really like and think can be real good Haniger is a injury risk all along only two full years that I could see in the stats . Whitley is suppposed to be in the bullpen this year and it was hard to give up abreau but he is gonna be a diminished role hader closing and pressley setting up . That’s my two cents not much of a writer unfortunately.
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